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terry
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 Posted - 11/21/2009 : 05:28:37
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whole9yards
I think you posted the topic somewhere but I can't find it at the minute. I checked my main belt running time vs. job time last week and it really shows how little time your running material thru the belt.
Total time on job was billable 7hrs. total time on hr meter was 3.5hrs. Pour was 170cy.,admitting there where tons of plumbing in the floor. Even when they were taking mud ,the rate wasn't even close the the machines capacity Terry |
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Godfather
USA
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Posted - 11/21/2009 : 09:27:17
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Terry, I connected hourmeters to stroking cylinders (12vdc proximity sensors). Like your experience, productive time almost never approaches the billable on site hours, and equipment rarely gets to discharge at maximum ability.
As a service, all we have to sell is time on a clock. Don't ever tell a customer what the actual working time was.
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Speedy
Canada
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Posted - 11/21/2009 : 09:39:16
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Hour meters on the working component is for maintenance scheduling.
I had a hubodoeter instaaled on my new pump, for chassis maintenance, engine and transmission still goes by truck hour meter, but how else do you track the drive axles and chassis grease intervals? |
If you can't fix it with a hammer....you've got an electrical problem. |
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Godfather
USA
1909 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 10:31:59
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terry
421 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 12:00:11
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Don't ever tell a customer what the actual working time was.
Good point Godfather! |
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Speedy
Canada
4194 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 12:08:27
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That's the whole point of the hourly AND the yardage charges, you get paid for ass time, and if the contractor has his shit together, then you make up for the added production with the yardage charge.
It's really the only fair way, for the pumper, the well-prepared contractor and the wanna-be's.
RM producers have some time allowance built into their pricing, and if off-loading is slow, they will add that time on BY THE MINUTE!! |
If you can't fix it with a hammer....you've got an electrical problem. |
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whole9yards
USA
898 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 12:09:23
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Originally posted by Speedy
Hour meters on the working component is for maintenance scheduling.
I had a hubodoeter instaaled on my new pump, for chassis maintenance, engine and transmission still goes by truck hour meter, but how else do you track the drive axles and chassis grease intervals?
Check to see if your dash odometer adds mileage when in PTO. Putzmeister pumps don't, as part of the Mack programming. This way you can use your dash odometer. Truck manuals also list engine hours as a method of determining intervals. I think they run in or out of PTO.
Hubometers are also useful for tax purposes. They give a means to prove "off-highway" and "road" miles. I don't know if you can do it in Canada, but it can be a real tax savings here. Off-highway fuel is not as heavily taxed, in the US.
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Speedy
Canada
4194 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 12:43:31
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Only 'primary producers' can burn fuel that has no 'road tax'. That being grain and cattle farming (food production), fisheries and forestry industries.
Fuel burned to generate heat or electricity is exempt from federal fuel excise tax.
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If you can't fix it with a hammer....you've got an electrical problem. |
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terry
421 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 14:01:39
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Hubometers are also useful for tax purposes. They give a means to prove "off-highway" and "road" miles. I don't know if you can do it in Canada, but it can be a real tax savings here. Off-highway fuel is not as heavily taxed, in the US.
I see what you are saying whole9yards can u translate that to how I could make that work for my telebelt? Deduct fuel burned per hr. or some type of formula or won't that work for me because my speedo doesn't run when belting? |
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Speedy
Canada
4194 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 16:34:33
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Unless I'm pumping grain or eggs, or milk, there's no deductions to be had.
I recall going through the check-out at Peavy Mart (a western Canada 'store, catering to agricultural supplies and hardware), I had bought some items that are normally considered sprayer parts, the cashier asked me for my land number (Legal Land description of a farmer's home quarter - so that the items they are buying are exempt from the Provincial Sales Tax) I replied to her that I was a TAX PAYER, not a FARMER.
That nearly resulted in fisticuffs with the gentleman in line behind me. LOL |
If you can't fix it with a hammer....you've got an electrical problem. |
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Speedy
Canada
4194 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 17:00:39
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| My sister usually tells my not to bitch about farmers with my mouth full, I tell her not to complain about taxes from the window of that new pickup! |
If you can't fix it with a hammer....you've got an electrical problem. |
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whole9yards
USA
898 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 07:32:20
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Originally posted by Speedy
Unless I'm pumping grain or eggs, or milk, there's no deductions to be had.
If you had a Telebelt, you could fill grain cribs and silos. Would that count?
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whole9yards
USA
898 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 07:37:05
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Originally posted by terry
I see what you are saying whole9yards can u translate that to how I could make that work for my telebelt? Deduct fuel burned per hr. or some type of formula or won't that work for me because my speedo doesn't run when belting?
First, check with your tax man to see if there is an advantage. I've been away from the "dirty end" of the business for a while, and maybe the loopholes have been closed.
Since your odometer only registers road miles, calculate a reasonable miles per gallon figure. That will give you a fuel consumption for highway. The rest is PTO.
When I ran the HP Thomsens, it was easy. We put off-road (dyed) fuel in the tank for the pony motor, and road fuel in the truck tank. Truckers hauling reefers would do the same, but I think the feds closed that one off, too.
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Godfather
USA
1909 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 19:34:26
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Unless you have a huge fleet and a bean counter to justify the expense off road calculations, the effort isn't worth the tax recovery. At the least, more forms to fill out, and at the worst, a volunteer gov't accountant to bug you. Raising pump service rates is best way to recover tax and other costs of doing business.
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